My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. I home carry, but as far as pistol lockboxes go, I recommend the Fort Knox (top opening lid) and the Sentry Safe with biometric lock (also has a key and keypad). Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. Length: 7.3. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. Nobody whos ever advocated carrying with an empty chamber has ever explained how they were going to fight off two assailants AND chamber a round at the same time. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. But do suggest they make more of them and lower the price for us plebes. By all means, carry what you are competent to handle effectively and safely. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Conceal. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. JavaScript is disabled. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. All are coded alike, but each has a different weapon in condition 1 ready to go. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? You just have to scroll down to it. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so Let's talk about wh. 7. There is no doubt about it. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? But how often are you a klutz when handling or holstering your firearm? Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. In reality, the 1911 with only the grip safety would be as safe or safer than the Glock. Thats OK with me. Quick easy to access and small enough for the P365, a spare magazine, and a small 300 Lumen Tac Light. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. Answer (1 of 104): For me. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Yes, you're being silly. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? I once owned 12 of them. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. It will go off. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). Weve beaten this dead horse enough. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. the safety doesnt enter into it. Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. I got two strikers, finally, couple years ago, a 9mm and a 40. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. Use whatever gun you want. Agreed. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. You just have to get comfortable with it. For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. Weight: 22.9 oz. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. Didnt fire..interesting. Fuck off gov. The Glock Model 48 slimline 9mm is a state-of-the-art fighting pistol with a small grip frame any cop can master. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. Absolutely. All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. While numbers vary, reacting to something - anything - takes a . Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. What you are overlooking is the odds. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. Thank you very much. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. . A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. Same mental disability, but different symptoms. But carry the way you feel comfortable. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. I carry all my guns chambered. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. For myself I carry an HK P30sk with the double action hammer in the down position and the manual safety on. Carry chambered ever since. Let's dive into the depths of insanity when it comes to concealed carry myths. But now I get 18! My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. And I dont want to have to think about anything. israeli carry is stupid. Even though they don't have . With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. If I feel the urge to admire, use and hold a finely engineered machine I might just as likely pull out and ogle any one of my watches, of my bicycles, of my cars, of my surgical instruments, of my fountain pens or of my firearms. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have become very popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. And therefore only idiots use it. If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. I got to 8 feet off the floor and a Series-70-style 1911 clone would not ignite the primer. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Do u carry an AR all day too? But the real benefit is in the noise. I think it's more about . And, sorry youre a confused fool. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. So that argument is irrelevant. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. How often are you drinking a glass of milk, or spilling coffee, or having a horn tooted at you while actually handling or holstering your firearm? Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. So far there have been 14 production experiences.Has a professional production and R & D team, and . This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. I have four. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. Confused fool. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. Have you ever negligently ran a red light? I have no worries about the gun going off when holstering it or even worse going off by itself while in the holster as many Glocks have done when a fold of the holster got snagged inside the trigger guard. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. I have four (4) SA revolvers. (I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) I carry my Jericho the same way. U.S. Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. No thanks. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. 1:43:08-1:43:32. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Barrel: 4.5. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. I never carried a gun before my G27. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! Each new design improved the handgun and its features. Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. 3 your support hand may not be available. Boy, that must be realllll nice. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. As in mentally deranged. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. All the out of battery safeties do is, in one way or another, block the hammer from providing that energy to the pin until the gun is fully locked into battery. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. But thats good. Prices accurate at time of writing. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. There are lots of better choices out there than the glock. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. Height: 5.4. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Ok revolvers. We keep our mouths shut, myob, and avoid praising glocks. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. See the old Remingtons. without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat 1 of 2 Go to page. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. I submit never. I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake.
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