On the newer Safran Seats, guests can enjoy a 17.3-inch 4K touchscreen monitor. Delta One Service Delta's business class service is very good, it's usually prompt and friendly. Seriously, though, Tiffany-- fantastic post. As for ticket modification and flight change, the fare conditions related to your ticket determine this. We noticed the there are two business class options from Atlanta nonstop to Paris. Air France has La Premire, Business, Premium Economy, and Economy. See more about our ethics policies here. It would be delta one vs AF airbus 350 business class. Its fleet size is 750 as of December 2020. Other amenities include ten shower suites, each with a Dyson hairdryer and thick towels. The pouch is a soft herringbone-patterned zip crafted from 96% recycled material and complemented by a signature red zipper. This is bad above and beyond the angled flat beds. She said she had used AAdvantage miles because she travels a lot for work. These are simple lavatories (certainly no showers) but they do provide additional toiletries to make it dedicated to premium guests. Even if the you have flown an airline multiple times, there can always be the "one off day." You get 2 dedicated FA for the cabin, they take drinks and menu orders (no trolley service), there's a tablecloth, food comes on a platter, metal cutlery, porcelain dishes, the food . Premium Economy: Price. It's night and days between the two! I was unceremoniously rebooked into a middle seat on a777 leaving three hours later. Hope this helps! He is the chef ofLe Grand Vefour,a 3-star Parisian restaurant. The Delta One business class lavatories are nothing special compared to other lavatories on the plane. Air France vs. Delta Business Class Have recently asked question as reply to Paris trip report, so forgive the repetition, but perhaps will get additional input in this forum. This topic has been automatically closed due to a period of inactivity. I've flown AF the last 2 years on their A333 which had the old seats but in a 2x2x2 config. @ RakSiam @Bgriff -- Oh, absolutely, and Delta has a very nice business class as well! Totally agree on the AF 7 across. On long-haul flights, people on Main Cabin and Comfort will get blankets and pillows, and they will receive basic amenity kits including toothpaste and toothbrush, earplugs, eyeshades, and towelette. I loved this post! Maybe the EU is less litigious, but for whatever reason, it was a pleasant surprise to have common sense prevail. Out of the 9 hubs it has, Atlanta is the largest in terms of departure numbers and total passengers. She called the Executive Platinum line to make the bookings (and she did it on the first call!). Your email address will not be published. Wonderful posts and responses. Some newer Delta aircraft also has doors. The new 777s have outstanding AVOD and all the charging plugs you could want, though they're over your shoulder. Never thought that would happen! Anyway, back to KLM, I found the FAs to be extremely pleasant, knowledgeable, and eager to keep the passengers happy. The airline was recently ranked second among the worlds largest airlines by the number of scheduled passengers carried, fleet size, and revenue passenger-kilometers flown. KLM offersfull-flat seats in their World Business Class, which is found on their 747 , 777, and 787 aircraft. There is Wi-Fi available (for a fee) on almost every flight. Swiss is the pride of the Lufthansa group, which also manages Lufthansa itself, Brussels Airlines, Eurowings, and Austrian Airlines. The most basic cabin is economy class followed by premium economy, then business class and finally first class, also. Air France, it is the flag carrier of France and one of the most popular airlines in Europe. Delta Airlines is said to operate the largest Boeing 767, Boeing 757, and Boeing 717 fleets in the world. New Air France business class with reverse-herringbone lie-flat seats All Air France planes are scheduled to have the new product by the summer of 2017. The best seats are typically the ones that have the most legroom and are located near the aisle. One thing to note, if you happen to be riding business class on the Boeing 767-400, the center seats will come with open dividers ideal if youre traveling with family or your partner. You can pick seats, always through the Air France site, sometimes in the Delta app. Its built with spacious seating areas, an extensive buffet service including hot and cold food options, as well as a great selection of alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks. If you have dietary restrictions, you can request the app ahead of time. However, there is currently an increased sign-up bonus on the personal and business Delta Amex cards, which makes it relatively easy to pick up a bunch of SkyMiles quickly. For some reason best known to them they have ceded all flights to Europe from Atlanta to Virgin. The newer cabins are more stylish and now feature sliding doors to give guests absolute privacy. @ Ben -- I love first class! But I hate that you can't choose your seat with Air France like you can with Delta unless you pay. It's due to the amount of miles required for Delta that my flights are now in AF or Virgin Atlantic, both Sky Team members that charge many fewer miles or $. Moreover, a rowdy group of AF non-rev people were having a party, and they did not invite me. I was very pleasantly surprised. The biggest issue, however, is that the old Air France business class product is dated and uncomfortable. Delta has officially announced that there will be no change of fees on tickets in certain fare classes on flights originating from North America. The seat is upholstered in beautiful leather with spacious storage, amenity kits, and a large IFE. Paul, Salt Lake City, New York City, and Seattle. Delta has Basic Economy, Main Cabin, Comfort, Premium Select, Delta First, and Delta One. Delta cabins are as comfortable as they come. The new seats convert into lie-flat beds measuring 78.7 inches in length and 22.4 inches in width. That way you can drink even more champagne and enjoy the experience more ;) so that may be a possibility for you. The fuel surcharges can be a bummer on Virgin, but the others are pretty reasonable. Its loyalty program is called Flying Blue. Also, AVOD is available from prior to the flight until engine shutdown at the arrival gate. A sub fleet of the 777-300 might still carry the old 2-3-2 configuration, often those flying over the Caribbean or Indian Ocean. Some guests might feel its impersonal, but its only because there are a lot of guests attendants have to handle. © 2023 France Travel Blog. I am (most unhappily) seated in such a section on an AF from ATL to CDG tonight. There is a USB port to power up your phone. Air France and Delta Air offer two of the most premium business cabins flying in the air today. I feel it is hype over substance. Just a small tip of advice: do NOT fly AF B. I may buck the trend here, but I HATED Virgin Atlantic. The "Delta One" seat on the 767 was way too cramped but it looks like they have a nicer product on other a/c. Noise from the galley can still come through. We went through some bumpy skies, especially over the equator, and it was refreshing not to be awakened with seat belt announcements, which are common on Delta. Keep overlooking as far as Air Europa is concerned ;-). That said, this was still really useful because DL is way stingier with award availability That said, this was still really useful because DL is way stingier with award availability than their partners, especially on nonstop flights. Air France Business Class Cabin Configuration. For drinks, Delta has a good roster from top-quality champagne and wine to common liquor like Peach Bellini and Grey Goose Vodka. @ Fabio -- Thanks! 4. These lavatories are nothing special except for, All seats aboard business class cabins lie flat, measuring. All rights reserved. Dave makes an excellent point ! Delta Air Lines, Inc. is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia. Air France has always been my first choice, then Delta. My husband and I have status on Delta but are flying Air France and Virgin Atlantic on two different itineraries this year. Guests receive pre-flight champagne and snacks. Join Date: Sep 2009. Premium Delta Sky Club lounge access is available with access to partner lounges across the world. He has traveled to France many times and is ready to share the knowledge in this travel guide for France. Aboard the Delta One cabin, guests can pre-order meals from 30 days up to 24 hours before their flight. Air France business class is ideal if you want to travel in luxury but dont want to spring for an ultra-premium trip aboard La Premiere cabin yet. Having trouble even getting KLM award space to show up on Delta's site. The overall feeling is of cozy efficiency rather than being necessarilystylish or polished. Travel light and free by using your hard-earned points! All my recent Air France transatlantic business flights have been in a Boeing 777, not the A350. She said she had used AAdvantage miles because she travels a lot for work. Hope it's better this year as I'm going with KLM on the outbound flight and Virgin on the flight back to the States. Air France operates several different Boeing 777-300ER interior configurations, but this flight was operated by the airline's most premium-heavy aircraft, featuring four seats in the La Prmiere-branded first class section and a whopping 58 business class seats. Affording Air France. Open from 5:30 a.m. to 10:00 p.m., premium business guests can enter for free but theres also an option to purchase entry for 60 Euros or about $70. Air France Business Class Bed. Avoid it at all costs because all around its not worth paying much more than a domestic first/business class fare. I would fly Delta just so you don't have to deal with the possibility of a strike. If you dont like fun, this is not a good choice for you. Even their short Euro flight had a decent meal. Owing to the COVID-19 pandemic, the airline adjusted its once stringent and expensive ticket change and cancellation policies and fees. Beware that the KLM 747 Combi has an inferior AVOD system with low-res screens and no USB charger (though there is AC charging). In terms of comfort they're about the same; If you're a real entertainment buff then you might find the Delta One screens on the 767 a little bit small and distant. After the merger, Airbus aircraft from Northwest was added to the fleet. @RakSiam the DL 767s aren't great compared to their A330s. On the other, the ground experience at Charles de Gaulle is worse than dragging Ben to Disneyworld. Your companion can drink dine with you. Review: read my review of Delta's Business Class in a Airbus A350 here. As for codeshare flights and being switched from one to the other, at the time of booking you can see who is flying the metal, so if you have a strong preference, you can manage it. I am looking at a flight in September from Atlanta to Paris and can fly either with Delta or Air France business class, yes they code share. Jack - Many thanks for your thoughts. If you get hungry in between, theres a small self-service area where you can grab beverages and light snacks if you fancy. Delta One seats feature a family-friendly or companion-friendly center aisle. Nicks photo of Air France business, which makes it look much nicer than it actually is. My preferred airline is Delta. Also, AVOD is available from prior to the flight until engine shutdown at the arrival gate. All seats on Delta One Business Class lie flat. The kit contains an eye mask, ear plugs, Clarins lotion, Clarins lip balm, a toothbrush with toothpaste, and socks. KLM 747 upper deck business class other configurations have direct aisle access. Not only is it not lie flat, but there is basically no personal stowage for passport, phone, etc and the amenities bag is a joke. On Air France the flight to Europe will be covered by the EU261 rules, on Delta it will not be. Anyone have experience with either or both of them? Rest of Europe I'd say KLM because of the better seats than AF (though I'd say AF once refurbishment is completed), the strong regional network (especially in Scandinavia and the UK), Schiphol being a better airport than CDG and FCO combined and tge Delft houses which are a reason to fly in itself. Air France is a founding member of the SkyTeam international airline team. Do you have a favorite? I would do F on CX and on QF of the outbound, and then maybe B in the return on QF for AUK-LAX via SYD/MEL. Although I tried their Prem Econ onboard the 777 it's kind of better in terms that it is cheaper, you still get champagne, entertainment, and a seat that reclines well for a day flight (or night if you are like my wife who can only sleep in an airplane seat of its in the nearly upright position.) It's much better :-). Learn more about our points consulting services! Its topped off with dessert including Deltas famous sundae. I'd give Delta the edge here. Business class cabin seats have just four large seats and are larger than the first class cabin, making it one of the most private sections of an airplane. Leading the pack is our neighbor to the north, Air Canada, with an absolutely superb 2.89/3. Thanks so much Tiffany! 8/10. A choice of champagne, wine, juice, or just plain water, along with light bites. I'd give Delta the edge here. Welcome to your private Delta One business class suite. Can you share what websites you used to make your bookings - did you use Asia Miles website, already have miles in an account, or transfer miles when you had secured your flights? Watch out for the AF aircraft with 2-3-2 seating in business class. For the return, I had a late connection from Rome. The Airline operates a combination of fleet, including Boeing widebody jets and Airbus, on long-haul routes. Depending on the plane, business class guests get one or two lavatories. If Air France operates a short-haul flight from Paris (CDG) to Nice (NCE), its business class seats are simply economy seats with the middle seat blocked off. It uses Airbus A320 family aircraft on short-haul routes. I'm sure Nick will be along shortly to tell us all why Delta is better than all other options ;). So the comment about IROPS with AF turns out to align with my experience. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Air France is working to convert all Business Class seats to the fully flat, all-aisle-access setup soon. Aircraft in the Delta and their respective age. Also, their blankets are scratchy, which might seem petty, but is a pretty-much a deal-breaker for me. All of these are fitted with the Delta One Business Class seat, but the product can vary wildly as the airline has updated its fleet in stages leaving some planes with more archaic seats than others. Curved glass ceilings allow bright sunlight to filter in the daytime as well as views of the runway in the distance. We generally recommend a flexible points currency such as American Express Membership Rewards or Starwood Preferred Guest, as both programs allow you to transfer your points to Delta without being committed to SkyMiles. Air France has better safety videos. We noticed the there are two business class options from Atlanta nonstop to Paris. I will note though that you left off Delta themselves, which can still be available at the Tier 1 number of miles on many TATL routes if you book well in advance. My guess is that my experience wouldn't necessarily be replicated on another day. There's also the overlooked Air Europa for Skyteam although there may be a good reason why they are overlooked Nice article! I'm SkyTeam Elite+ (via my Delta status) and I can pick any seat in my ticketed cabin on an Air France flight, even when I've purchased it through Delta's website and it's a Delta marketed flight (ie, it has a Delta flight number, though the actual metal is Air France.) Before Covid-19, Air France still had 4 different business class versions, but now, as the A380 & A340 have left the fleet, only 3 remain. Required fields are marked *. Fridges filled with drinks, as well as coffee and tea machines are also nearby. I'd initially chosen Seat 1A, but was involuntarily moved to the last row in the middle-most of three seats. In terms of the soft product, KLM has quality catering, andby far the best dinnerware. By the time we were approaching Paris, the smell from all the Lentil gas in the plane was overwhelming. Here, the menu includeshors doeuvre,bread basket,entres, and cheeses, with a dessert cart includingpetit fours,pastries, and tartles. If you are on a long-haul flight, you will be served complimentary champagne and drinks in every class. The older cabins might feature an 18.5-inch touchscreen monitor. I am looking at a flight in September from Atlanta to Paris and can fly either with Delta or Air France business class, yes they code share. However, for surfing and streaming, the plan starts at $6.96 to $12.95, respectively. Has anyone recently. I liked the Delta Suites the best, but have flown them only that one A personalized cabin The Business cabin guarantees you comfort and well-being throughout your flight. On the other hand, Delta One is also a strong contender if you want a world-class business cabin. Image Credit: Air France. A tailor-made Business cabin For travel within France, there is three types of fare: Business Leisure: non-refundable ticket, modifiable for a fee of 70; Business Flex: refundable ticket, modifiable at no extra cost; @ bobbieddie -- What miles do you have at present? Or the crew might even be a mix. Based on your West Coast experience, what airline would you choose for this itinerary based on ease of finding and booking award space preferably in F or business? I also love how KLM has continued their pre-deregulation tradition of giving passengers a last drink on the house. If you thought the dishes were fun. So lets go through the four main transatlantic options when redeeming Delta miles. Overall it my favorite airline. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. For mains, guests get to choose from four including vegetarian, meat, or seafood choices. Both have seats that lay down flat and each passenger has their own pod. Ive found both to be excellent carriers. Which SkyMiles partners have you flown? Staying in the Basic Economy with no elite status or an airline credit card means you will incur fees for checked luggage wherever you fly. Air Frances drinks menu is also extensive with premium liquor, an excellent wine list, cocktails, beer, as well as champagne. Bistro fare is available on the first floor as well. But the KLM lounge people rearranged things and got me in 1A again, which, for a day flight, was fine even in the older seat, with more legroom than the new one would have afforded. Does Air France give preference to their own FF members and those that booked with them, as far as allowing seat assignment choices? The flight entertainment system has many channels of audio, video, music, and games. On 20 November 2009, Air France introduced the A380 with service to New York citys JFK Airport from the French capitals Charles de Gaulle Airport. For bedding, Delta hands out Coz-z-z pillows and blankets. I was not happy. Virgin is the best if you're going to the UK (especially Heathrow and Manchester). To which I said sure as long as you refund me my business class fare) And then flying back via Delta which I have to say was superb, from the meals, to the seat, to the flight attendants. To create a full experience, Delta provides headphones to go with the entertainment system. You can specify. Virgin Atlantic is an unbelievably fun airline. For those that have flown is their a major. These airlines feature redesigned business products to deliver comfortable and stylish new seats and superb amenities while ensuring a lavish journey for their passengers. Image Credit: Air France. But if you fly via Atlanta, there are currently 4 flights to Paris (2 operated by Delta and 2 by AF) The current Air France promo that provides for refundability of the ticket price is only for flights through June 30, 2022. Theres a power outlet for your devices and fast Wi-Fi in the lounge too. American and United come in last, but both still boast great systems, scoring 2.44/3 and 2.40/3, respectively. Answer 11 of 15: I have not flown to France in years and now doing my homework. Thats why Im trying to figure out the difference. However, Air France is in the process of reconfiguring their entire longhaul fleet, and thenew business class looks lovely. You can tell if your flight will have the new business class by looking at the seat map if you see seven seats across (gag), thats the old product. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. I tend to go Delta, but prefer Air France. I have a love/hate relationship with Air France. I've been to Europe each of the last 4 summers, all on Skymiles partners. Meanwhile, the company will have to cut emissions by half in 2024 for flights within mainland France. Our return trip was on Air France. The 777 is older. As a single traveler, I generally prefer private pods, though I far prefer those on DL A330s (which face out on the sides) to DL 777s (which seem similar to VS). If you can find award space on one of the reconfigured aircraft I wouldnt hesitate to recommend Air France, but the old product is probably best avoided, at least for night flights. FWIW, I flew Delta out of Paris recently and overheard the purser telling a passenger that the Paris station did not have the highest of reputations. I'd initially chosen Seat 1A, but was involuntarily moved to the last row in the middle-most of three seats. Delta's business class seat (left) vs. Air France's business class seat (right). For in-flight catering, shorter domestic flights have a selection of coffee, snacks, tea, and bottled water in the economy, while those who board higher classes may enjoy complimentary wine, soft drinks, beer, and juices. Although, it all comes down to how many miles you have/how many miles your willing to spend. You can also check in up to two bags, max 70 pounds or 32 kilos each. This class of service offers significantly more comfort and amenities than standard Economy, Premium Economy, and Domestic First Class, which usually include: Double the seat pitch (legroom) compared to Economy Best Business Class Airline Seats 2022 1 Qatar Airways 2 Delta Air Lines 3 Singapore Airlines 4 ANA All Nippon Airways 5 JetBlue Airways 6 British Airways 7 Japan Airlines 8 Oman Air 9 Etihad Airways 10 Gulf Air Best Business Class Airline Lounges 2022 1 Virgin Atlantic - LHR 2 Qatar Airways - DOH 3 Turkish Airlines - IST 4 Singapore Airlines - SIN Professional and attentive, the service on Air France business cabins is great. As of the time of writing, the airline is still waiving change fees on tickets originating from outside of North America. Oh well. You really have to look at specific plane models which seat guru can help you with. God help you if you ever experience any disruptions or IRROPS on Air Franceas soon as anything deviates from the 'norm'/going by the book they do not have a CLUE. As we learned last week, leveraging Deltas partners is the best way to not get screwed when redeeming SkyMiles, sowhen reader Nolan asked the following on the Ask Lucky forum recentlyI was excited to answer: The improvement in partner products is ahuge boon to the SkyMiles program. Delta One includes lie-flat seating for different aircraft, and direct access from all the seats on all the different types of aircraft with the exception if Boeing . Guests on Delta One also receive access to the Delta Sky Club when flying out of cities like Los Angeles, Detroit, Atlanta, Seattle, or New Yorks JFK. The business class in the A380 was no longer up to today's standards, unlike the business class that's installed in the Boeing 787-Dreamliner and Airbus A350, which is modern and comfortable. As a business class passenger, you get priority check-in and boarding, allowing you to zip through long economy lines. Their current amenity kit is a beautiful chevron zip pouch containing a dental kit, Clarins skincare items, an eye mask, and socks. The lowest tier for surfing or emails starts at $6.95 per hour and climbs to $12.95 per hour plans. Image Credit: Delta. A points consultant is the right person to talk to if you want to experience luxury travel for cheap! It's almost AF J service with Delta domestic First class seat. Tiffany - enjoy your style and posts. In addition, when onboard Delta, you dont have to worry about missing the news, and social media banters. To make your sleep extra cozy, you also get Coz-z-z pillows and thick blankets. Onboard Entertainment: Air France offers 500 hours of on-demand video programming, including classic and current movies, foreign films, concerts, documentaries and TV series, plus a variety of music channels and games. Depending on the aircraft, guests will get slightly different seats. However, its the highest and most premium cabin offered on long-haul and international routes. I able to compare the two last year with Virgin on the flight to Manchester (old plane, crap seating and running out of choices to eat and being told that if I really wanted beef that they'd get me a beef stew from coach. Really loving Tiffany's contributions - always great analysis and a talent for communicating clearly even quite convoluted matters.
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